Author: Gulo, 30-04-2025 04:22 Change？ - GELU and hota 2.0 I played this new version map several days before, today I reloaded the map and opened it in map editor.I met this red hero in game ( picture 1),but it changed in map editor (picture 2).Why?
Pmuet writes:
30-04-2025 07:37
Old and new - GELU and hota 2.0
Bc your save are in older version, newest version hero in that positon is necromancer. but dont worry, you dont have to beat him to finish map
Pmuet writes:
30-04-2025 13:46
Old and new - GELU and hota 2.0
Bc your save are in older version, newest version hero in that positon is necromancer. but dont worry, you dont have to beat him to finish map
Author: PMUET, 28-04-2025 17:23 . - GELU and hota 2.0 And you should let one of your sub heroes block the nomad shooter from going ashore, that can avoid fighting him early in the game when you are not strong.
Author: PMUET, 28-04-2025 17:21 . - GELU and hota 2.0 And you shouldn't open the quest to dendroid lord, it costs a huge amount of fangarm in your early game
Sulim81 (Poland) writes:
28-04-2025 21:20
Dendroid lord - GELU and hota 2.0
Hmm, I always go there asap. OK, I sarcifice some fangarms, but then I can farm much more in fights with legions of dendroids and Dendroid Lord himself, with frenzy, fight is quite easy. Then I exchange fangarms for sharpshooter, it really boost my army in first phase.
Author: PMUET, 28-04-2025 17:20 . - GELU and hota 2.0 Find the Recanter's Cloak — it is hidden somewhere southwest of the Dracula buildings near New Dawn (you can use bird's-eye view to spot it; it appears as a star icon). With it, you can easily defeat the Demoniac, as the artifact prevents casting spells of level 3 and above. However, be careful because it will also prevent your Fangarm from using hypnosis on enemies.
After defeating him, you can proceed to the frozen lands to rescue Dracon (you will need the "Summon Boat" spell). Head behind the windmill in the area where you defeated the Demoniac; there is a hidden path leading to another sea area.
Here, you must find two things:
A treasure located on a secret ghost ship (when you find it, it will be guarded by thousands of ghosts — look for bushes on the sea to find paths leading to the ship). Once you locate the ship, don’t forget to continue searching nearby for a secret passage to learn the "Water Walk" spell.
A hidden portal near three phoenix mines, which will take you directly to the snowy land to rescue Dracon.
After that, the rest is for you to explore on your own! :D
Author: dbagyon (Hungary), 28-04-2025 16:15 What after New Dawn? - GELU and hota 2.0 hey there!
first of all, thank you for the map, it is astonishing! i really like it! :)
some pre words:
- have not played Gelu and Hota 1.0
- wanted to find a challenging map, I guess it is accomplished xD
- without knowing anything about the map, I started the game and messed up many things at first run, then i started again, then I am stuck, so I am here for some
help
- map version 1.7.1
- hota version 1.7.2
- at 134 Nagash is dead
- freed Wisdomer from prison (blue territory, east from my starting bias), got some stats as well, did not open Tazar's kingdom
- at 226 Cyra is killed
- found Golder with Runner via the secret path
- underground elf castle (New Dawn) is acquired at 323
- Elmore is dead at 334
- Jenova is dead at 337
- Nomad is dead at 342
- stats of Gelu in time of acquiring New Dawn --> 27 / 23 / 18 / 21
- got only the standard easily acquirable artifacts, nothing fancy: 2pcs of Centaur's Axe, couple of Equestrian's Gloves, BootsOfSpeed, Diplomat's Rings,
PendantOfCourage, SandalsOfTheSaint, Wayfarer'sBoots, ShacklesOfWar, RingOfOblivion, Recanter'sCloac and many other not too fancy ones
- most used spells: haste, slow, tp, sacrifice, teleport (have not acquired yet Forgetfulness)
the problem:
- I am not strong enough to beat niether Ivor, Calh or DendroidLord
- NomadShooter will come at 416, moreover the demoniac guy at the south-west (who spams Armageddon all the time) is also out of my reach
- so I am stuck regarding what to do :/
- after killing Nomad, 11k+ Sharpshooters I have and 2k+ Fangarms
- the elf castle at the North desert is already acquired by nomads
- the QuestGuard from the underground back to Tazar's Kingdom opens at 421 so I cannot go back to kill Bronn and Tazar and get the Sharpshooters and the
Enchanters
- in the meantime the Fangorn stack is far far low
possible solution:
- I need to get back in timeline until the point when I acquired New Dawn
- Runner should kill the Pit Lords in the island South from Jenova and gather as many WoodElf/GrandElf/Sharpshooters as possible here-and-there
- then instead of fighting with Elmore and Jenova immediately with Gelu, I should go back to farm a couple of Nomads at the Eastern desert for Fangarms
- then get back with a really good stack of Fangarms and Sharpshooters, kill Nomad, acquire the 7000 Sharpshooters from Seer's Hut, farm DendroidLord, Jenova,
Elmoore and Ivor
- then probably I have a chance to fight with Nomad with around 15k+ Sharpshooters and 30k+ Fangorns
- and then get back to kill Bronn and Tazar and gather the Sharpshooters and Enchanters
before I start the execution of my plan, I came here to ask for your help/validation, about:
- is what I thing the right sequence of moves
- what am I missing
- how about my troops
- and also for some friendly advice, to really get this map going
I admit that, I already have played around 48hrs with the map, during my holidays since 25.04.2025, and I thing I am at the right track, but missing some bits and peaces :/
thank you in advance!
dbagyon (Hungary) writes:
28-04-2025 18:01
Thank you! - GELU and hota 2.0
Thank you for the quick response! :)
I have already found the cloak, but it seems I should pay more attention to the messages that are put in front of me --> Dracon is mentioned + Recanter's cloak is also + favourable winds lead to the armageddon demoniac = you should go there bro xD
It makes sense!
dbagyon (Hungary) writes:
28-04-2025 18:03
omg Shooter block - GELU and hota 2.0
To block NomadShooter is something that I would have never figured out I guess xD Thank you!
sphinxx writes:
28-04-2025 18:53
:) - GELU and hota 2.0
some additional notes:
you should have almost no losses in all your fights..from what you wrote it sound like you already had some..
you dont need to fight dark demon immediatelly.. there is a secret path behind one of the windmills. there is a lot to explore behind that
you should get all the admirals hats asap. it saves you a lot of time. it will be difficult without losses (of the main stacks) but its possible
dbagyon (Hungary) writes:
28-04-2025 19:27
appretiation - GELU and hota 2.0
Your notes are much appreciated, thank you sphinxx!
About losses: I tried to be cautious, to only increase the numbers of the Sharpshooters. Was successful almost 100%ly, but it is not the same with the Fangarms. the "farming" of them was not going that well, as planned. Was able to preserve (slightly increase) at least their numbers, but lost many "new spawns during the fights" with Elmore, Jenova and Nomad. Moreover there are a few places where a couple of thousands go in exchange of Sharpshooters.
Basically my main tactics in these fights is:
- with few speedy units, block the opponents shooters and main stacks
- use slow+haste
- then Sharpshooters do the heavy lifting
- and occasionally the Fangarm main stack can hypno the opponent
- and new spawns can retreat
but it does not go always that well.
There is nothing to left, but to improve my style, which has already begun since the beginning of the map, so glad about I started :)
Anyways, I am gonna go back in timeline, when Gelu is teleported to New Dawn, and get to work again on Elmore and Jenova, but first gonna "loot" a couple of worthy places with Runner.
Thanx again!
PMUET writes:
29-04-2025 05:53
Fangarm - GELU and hota 2.0
Sharpshooters should mainly serve as your early- to mid-game force. After defeating the Magic Queen, your main army should shift to Fangarms, with Sharpshooters providing secondary damage support. Enchanters will also play a similar supporting role. If you keep losing too many Fangarms, it will be very difficult to defeat the final boss (the last battle demands a large army, almost a full-on brawl). Try to preserve as many Fangarms as possible, even using resurrection points from fallen enemies to rebuild your forces.
Author: Sulim81 (Poland), 26-04-2025 02:42 Necromancer - GELU and hota 2.0 Hello, I have finished this map several times already and wanted to play for fun - abuse necromancer hero. You can free him quite fast, immediately after getting to New Dawn. He can board off ship, there is one spot, you do not need to wait to buy him back from tavern. It is 6th month in game time and I already have 2,5 M liches and most of map cleared. It is definately too OP and I suggest removing this option, otherewise many players may think this is the way you should play this map (with necro hero) and will loose most of game experience.
PMUET writes:
26-04-2025 08:09
Necromancer - GELU and hota 2.0
Ok I will make him a optional boss next patch!
Author: sphinxx, 24-04-2025 22:50 :) - GELU and hota 2.0 you didnt use like the half of what i suggested, especially some important ones, which is unfortunate.
Author: Gulo, 24-04-2025 12:05 What’s the new update? - GELU and hota 2.0 For 1.7.2？
PMUET writes:
24-04-2025 12:06
New update - GELU and hota 2.0
Yes and I add some improvement of sphinx
Author: PMUET, 24-04-2025 11:29 new version - GELU and hota 2.0 New version uploaded! You can check the map now :D
Author: PMUET, 23-04-2025 21:55 End - GELU and hota 2.0 Finished with 700k fangarms alive!
Author: sphinxx, 22-04-2025 13:52 :) - GELU and hota 2.0 Sounds great ;)
Author: PMUET, 22-04-2025 10:28 Thanks - GELU and hota 2.0 I will upload newest version tomorrow with your improvement! :D
And Necromancer? I will keep him as a secret hero and likely a cheat code, with him you can finish game with lich, of course you must find cloak of the undead king!
And most importantly, almost all the hidden borders in the swamp area have been removed, making the experience clearer!
Author: sphinxx, 19-04-2025 22:28 :) - GELU and hota 2.0 here is a video for everyone whos struggling in the beginning.
https://youtu.be/3Rca4JD98Gc
somebody said you need to kill him by defending in the castle, and after killing wraiths just quick combat, saying AI doesn't cast spells in quick combat.
BIG LIE, because it did not work for me, he still used teleport. i don't know if 500 sharpshooters are not enough for Cyra or i just missed some tactic
Author: sphinxx, 19-04-2025 16:30 :) - GELU and hota 2.0 With undead you mean the first enemy hero who comes through the black border gate?
Author: dg (Serbia), 19-04-2025 13:21 no - GELU and hota 2.0 brother there is no time for all of this, i had to sacrifice upper part of starting region in order to take all the stats in the swamp in time, and even then couldn't manage to take all of it, because Undead keeps taking my town and i need to come back and reset the 7 day timer. and when i came back from tazar's palace it was the last day and i had to beat cyra with 500 sharpshooters and 100 fangrams which is impossible
Author: NoXal, 18-04-2025 06:30 Thank you so much. - GELU and hota 2.0 I have actually looked at the map in editor and I still couldn't figure it out :)
Not to mention I started basically from start three times already as I learn what to do and what not to do.
Well, time to start again then. Really appreciate the summary, this will be a huge help :)
Author: sphinxx, 17-04-2025 23:04 :) - GELU and hota 2.0 timing is very important in the beginning
my suggestions are:
clearing everything in the area around your starting rampart
taking all the stats in the swamps and the area right of it behind the red border guards (but dont let blue out)
open quest guard near tazars palace at 2,2,1
take 300 sharpshooters there
now you can go back and fight cyra
take the other rampart
there is a hidden passage right from the rampart
so you can go north take another rampart and then go through the subterranian gate to the big desert
run through the whole desert to visit dark blue keymasters tent
then run all the way down from the second rampart to the boat behind the light blue border gate
sail to the area between two sanctuaries
go through the subteranian gate
go right to the rampart called new dawn
this will be your permanent home (but you also will be attacked here from time to time)
overall playing this map without editor or without at least opening the map before playing is a real pain in the ass imho
Author: NoXal, 17-04-2025 16:12 Lost what to do in desert - GELU and hota 2.0 Hi,
I am lost what am I supposed to do when I flee my first Rampart, towards north to desert, where I get Elfwind town. I have very limited time since nomads are there soon and I am again without town.
Do I have to kill Cyra (I was too weak for that) before I flee to desert?
Thank you.
sphinxx writes:
19-04-2025 17:01
:) - GELU and hota 2.0
I wrote it and nope that's not a lie. With quick combat you finish the fight immediately so you can't even know if he used teleport or not. You probably confuse it with autocombat. And yes in autocombat he uses teleport.
dg (Serbia) writes:
19-04-2025 17:24
asdf - GELU and hota 2.0
no confusion, i press q for quick combat. how do i know he used teleport? because i still lose, and he only has black knights and skeletons. only other way is if my shooters ran out of shots and rushed out, but i think 32 shots are more than enough for 150-200 sharpshooters to win.
sphinxx writes:
19-04-2025 18:10
:) - GELU and hota 2.0
before pressing q.. Did you destroy his catapult and there are no holes in the wall?
sphinxx writes:
19-04-2025 19:49
:) - GELU and hota 2.0
i have to take back the thing with ai dont cast spells while quick combat. only the own player ai dont cast spells, enemy ai do cast spells.
but i know now why he teleports. as he has no water magic he cant teleport over walls so you have to have at least citadel so he cant teleport stuff to you.
but tbh the author already said down below that you have to build a castle.
also its better to destroy the catapult with the first shot. but it wont always be possible depending on what stats and secondary skills you will have at this moment.
dg (Serbia) writes:
20-04-2025 12:57
nice - GELU and hota 2.0
i beat him with this info. i did not know citadel prevents him from tp.
now i can play the game, cheers
Author: mark (Poland), 10-04-2025 21:32 Like like this map a lot - GELU and hota 2.0 cant find the white tent and im lacking 3 diplomat rings. any help will be appreciated :)
sphinxx writes:
11-04-2025 12:22
:) - GELU and hota 2.0
there are two white tents. you can visit both after killing forgeter.
all diplomats rings are in the mansions near new dawn.
mark writes:
11-04-2025 13:19
hmm - GELU and hota 2.0
And how do I get to forgeter? I havent seen him yet
sphinxx writes:
11-04-2025 13:30
:) - GELU and hota 2.0
you will find him after you open all diplomats ring quest guards and defeat darkem.
Author: Alaa (Canada), 07-04-2025 03:07 Black tent - GELU and hota 2.0 can't find the black tent
sphinxx writes:
07-04-2025 12:50
:) - GELU and hota 2.0
behind the second necropolis in the licher area
Author: Adb (New York, US), 06-04-2025 11:54 This is amazing - GELU and hota 2.0 Great map all around; took 20+ months on 200% and 500 saves..
- I couldn’t win the racing thing, but I guess that didn’t matter.
- i couldn’t figure out how to deal with all the red heroes that started popping up after killing the efreets
- i didn’t kill mrdrake but i would assume that should’ve been possible given i had about 1 million fangarm
- all my fg died to the grail guard but i barely made it through with 10k titans somehow recruitable from titan palace
Anyways this was cool
Author: sphinxx, 12-02-2025 16:51 :) - GELU and hota 2.0 finished the map in 9 months almost without using dd and fly. besides the keys for oov not really sth new this time but still this idea with millions of fangarms makes a lot of fun.
the map has a big potential to be a good successor of the first part but is atm far from ready imho.
here are some notes and suggestions i did during the game:
- quest guard at 142 76 0 should open 3 days earlier
- jenova +5 defense
- slasher should be reachable with boat or waterwalk
- magic queen +5 attack
- forgetter +20 defense
- seers hut at 198 134 0 is not reachable
- angelic alliance at 55 134 0 should be deleted. if the above mentioned seers hut is reachable you can assemble the angelic alliance from parts
- lord nomad +10 all stats
- blesser +10 defense
- there has to be a hint that navigator should get waterwalk first before racing tracer otherwise he cant reach the town station
- as in the first map you shouldnt be able to play with necromancer as it completely destroys all of your ideas. with fly i could have reached oov. with dd i could have jumped to the grail area and finished the map immediately. also you shouldnt get all the op spells like blind and clone from him. yes you temporarily sacrifice a hero for the spells but still..
- strangedrake +10 defense
- all the golem factorys made no sense. my suggestion is: the seers hut at 2 190 0 has no quest. make a quest there: 6k diamond golems, 6k gold golems, 6k iron golems, 6k stone golems. as a reward 3k archangels.
- the seers hut at 179 100 0 also has no quest
- you forgot an "n" in immuners name
- neela, solmyr and golems all 99 stats
- dreadknight and licher left almost all of their creatures in the town so it was no problem to kill them. you should do sth about it
- purple keymasters tent should only be available after killing dreadknight. black keymasters tent only after killing licher
- 20 million gold at 49 1 0 and 55 1 0 completely destroy the moneymanagement and should be deleted
- i saw the placement of the grail long before i visited all of the obelisks. i suggest deleting the obelisks at 104 142 1 and 107 142 1 and place 2 obelisks in the grail area
- sandro also left some of the creatures in the town
- all of the diplomats rings had their purpose for opening the quest guards. all of the ambassadors sashes should also be used somewhere in a similar way
- sultan has no spellbook
- the black keymasters tent at 21 83 0 is not nessassery
you asked me to test the map. now two years later i did it :P
PMUET writes:
25-04-2025 16:37
. - GELU and hota 2.0
I buffed most of the opponents stats, removed 20m gold, made angelic alliance obtainable, added WW hints needed for pre-race, removed golem factories, stopped necro heroes from leaving their troops in the castle, added spell books for sultans? What do you mean I only added half of your improvement hints and especially the most important one?
sphinxx writes:
25-04-2025 19:33
:) - GELU and hota 2.0
- necromancer is still usable - there are plenty of alternatives if someone needs a "cheatcode"
- you still can learn all the op spells like prayer, clone or blind from him
- slasher is still not reachable neither with boat nor with waterwalk thus you have to use necromancers fly or dd which is as you said as good as cheating
- angelic alliance at 55 134 0 is still there
- still no hint that navigator should get waterwalk first before racing tracer. without waterwalk he cant reach station, cant fight armorer, cant get pandoras box. to get it all will only be possible with necromancers fly or dd which is obivously not intended
- immuner still lacks an "n" and the unnesessary second black keymasters tent is also still there. this is of course not so important but it looks like you dont care..
- this "wtf is this?" enemy hero is at least questionable and doesnt fit into the concept of the map
PMUET writes:
26-04-2025 07:58
Update - GELU and hota 2.0
I have updated the map according to your suggestions ( maybe admin will upload tomorrow ):
- The Necromancer is now fully playable (Dimension Door and Fly have been removed), but you have to defeat him. It’s quite challenging because his army grows weekly, unlike other optional bosses. By the time you gather enough giant Fangarms to crush him, you won’t even need his Liches to finish the game. Defeating him grants you access to a Seer’s Hut where you can trade Fangarms for Liches, but only up to 10 times. He now stands in the red hero’s position, replacing the previous “Wtf” hero.
Slasher is now accessible thanks to WW.
- Removed the Angelic Alliance at 55 134 0.
- Added an “n” to the name of the hero "Immuner."
- The Navigator is now required to have WW before participating in the race!
- Removed the black tent (it’s not that I didn’t care about what you said—I just kept it as a decorative element on the map, but if it bothered you, well… it’s gone now).
sphinxx writes:
26-04-2025 19:54
:) - GELU and hota 2.0
- how should necromancers army grow weekly if he is standing between two light blue border gates?
- where is the hint for navigator to have waterwalk?
- what is this ufretin guy doing there?
Pmuet writes:
26-04-2025 23:02
Bug - GELU and hota 2.0
Necromancer will go between 2 dweeling each week that trigger event to grow his army. Navigator must have ww to enter race bc he cant get there with boat and ufreetin is just a bug, i upload a new version but admin didnt update,, that why i said maybe admin will upload tomorrow
Author: TeRMiT, 04-01-2025 17:36 Crash - GELU and hota 2.0 I really liked the map, but the game crashed on 444 on blue's turn. It's very sad that I can't finish the game. Please send me any save of this turn or a little later.
Author: zevoff (kiev Ukraine), 26-12-2024 13:10 Like Necromancer - GELU and hota 2.0 As you see you can took Necromancer too , howewer there was notification
"Don't try to free Necromancer! It's IMPOSSIBLE!!"
So it's possible. And he has Fly skill and Dimansion Door for telefortation hero throught the map.
Author: zevoff (kiev Ukraine), 19-12-2024 22:08 Like i can't find new castle - GELU and hota 2.0 it's a third month and i left 2 my first castle and then i have to find new castle. but i don't know how i can do it.
Author: zevoff (kiev Ukraine), 19-12-2024 20:52 Like i can't find new castle - GELU and hota 2.0 it's a third month and i left 2 my first castle and then i have to find new castle. but i don't know how i can do it.
sphinxx writes:
19-12-2024 21:26
:) - GELU and hota 2.0
dark blue keymasters tent is in the underground in the dunes area
zevoff (kiev Ukraine) writes:
19-12-2024 22:18
3 castle - GELU and hota 2.0
thanks . i got it i have to run up from swapm castle , took the blue tent and then go back then go into sea and come to this castle wich i have showe on the photo>?
sphinxx writes:
19-12-2024 22:35
:) - GELU and hota 2.0
Ok. So what is the question now?
Author: zevoff (kiev Ukraine), 19-12-2024 11:28 Like i can't find new castle - GELU and hota 2.0 it's a third month and i left 2 my first castle and then i have to find new castle. but i don't know how i can do it.
Author: Mardart (Polska), 16-12-2024 23:39 Green Tent - GELU and hota 2.0 Sorry meaby i'm blind but where i can find green tent
Author: Luca Wei (Milan, Italy), 24-10-2024 09:06 How can I go to this area? There isn't land - GELU and hota 2.0 I have got two telescopes but I still can't go to this place, because there isn't land for walking, the nearest land is too away! I use runner still can't go to this area in one day.
PMUET writes:
25-10-2024 09:33
Stand here - GELU and hota 2.0
Stand here and dont forget stable before going bro!
Luca Wei (Milan, Italy) writes:
25-10-2024 16:20
Thanks a lot - GELU and hota 2.0
Thanks a lot for your answer! Now I know how to pass this area.
Alaa writes:
06-04-2025 18:31
query - GELU and hota 2.0
How do I stand there? I know there is a light blue border gate behind the volcano but there is no way to walk there, am I supposed to pick something up?
sphinxx writes:
07-04-2025 12:56
:) - GELU and hota 2.0
yes there is some stuff swimming in the water behind the light blue border guard that you have to take with a boat first
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