Author: Mira (Bulgaria), 17-01-2013 23:35 ? Hi agian,
I tried with HD Mode and the event worked! I will continue from there with Logisitcs.
My question - have you banned Force field or I have chance to have it in one of the towns. Map editor says that is not forbidden in some towns, but I never met it so far
Nautilus writes:
17-01-2013 23:40
Force Field
You get it in a Box near the upper left rampart :)
Mira writes:
18-01-2013 01:40
thanks
Thanks, that makes the life a lot easier. BTW this time I successfully took the Castle with the deadline.
Another quetion - just to be sure - Grail is supposed to be placed in the first Tower city? Right?
Nautilus writes:
18-01-2013 01:54
Yup
Unless you want a harder game ;)
Author: Nautilus, 17-01-2013 18:24 PS Right tactic doesn't use up much time, because you can use autocombat :)
Author: Nautilus, 17-01-2013 18:06 Difficulty There are still harder maps, try out xiedu :D
However, I'll try to make my next map less difficult...
Author: Wicker, 17-01-2013 04:54 difficult Exactly, difficulty is fine if done right and this is personally for me too much... although in Empire World 4 farming resources was pretty annoying too :D
Author: Valery, 17-01-2013 03:33 difficult For me too it is too difficult, but I know some which will enjoy, as chinese players.
A map is good when you feel you can't stop playing it, but if difficulty is set constantly too high, if too many reloads, too much need to open editor, too much to survey every step, to ask help, then the desire to play is gone. Such mental challenges are not what I seek when taking a recreation in Heroes. Yet I consider the map exceptional and I would recommend it to those who enjoy this kind of game play, they will be well served.
frifix (Gemany) writes:
29-12-2020 17:23
Metataxer Difficulty - Metataxer's Revenge
The same opinion about difficulty of battles. I hate to fight 1000 Azzurs on cursed ground, that is a tort on me an absolutely not necessary.
One heavy part of the map I have developped with my friend Nautilus and I tested this map (with Angel Wings as rescue instrument) in the developping time. But I couldn't take friendship with these hard fughts. Better content with some very intelligent fights
Author: Wicker, 17-01-2013 02:16 Sugestion Well, dont know if there is only one solution which i figured out (hypnotize/blind imps). If its the only way or some other way is not significantly faster i would recomend to add player like 2000 mana or so, to be able to cast ice bolt in most rounds. Battle tactic would be the same but frustration would be gone, at least for me. But anyway, skipped this part and almost every fight seems very diffucult. Before this map i thought i am very good H3 player (Finished most of Valery maps, Wayfarer, With Little help Way Home, Unleashing the Bloodthirsty and many wog maps) but this map seems to be to much for me :)
Author: Valery, 16-01-2013 01:16 middle or end I would put it middle game or later, and no fight after where the hero has to die, because then we ask: what for the first battle? Spend half hour (+ 1 week to find solution then he dies next fight)
Once the player got middle game, if a fight too tricky he will ask for a solution, without getting on his nerves as if first day.
With 10 rusts at least we had work around, but with 20 we must find the full house tactic, and I swear is NOT EASY :)
Now is not my map, your call:)
Author: Nautilus, 16-01-2013 00:41 Moving question So, when would you guys put it? Everything the player has would influence the possible solutions, and if players found out they couldn't beat it, they would be depressed even more...
Author: Valery, 15-01-2013 19:47 noob No, you are not noob: it happens that even very good players were blocked at that fight because there is very uncommon solution.
While the fight is very creative and unique, I agree that it is a turn off if placed on first day.
Author: Wicker, 15-01-2013 17:07 WTF Hello, seems like good map, but to be honest i have never seen worse, redundant and pathethic fight like the fight against Sir Locke is. Like come on, whats the point of fighting ages and only thing u can do is blind imps to hold rusties back? No offence to map maker, but in my opinion this fight is fucked beyong belive. (Or im just noob and dont know how to win it easy way :))
Wicker writes:
17-01-2013 18:42
Autocombat
Seems strange :)
Valery writes:
17-01-2013 21:02
Xiedu
Yeah thanks, tried :)
Gave up after a few days. I am aware maps as xiedu can be completed if enough patience, but chinese ideas that harder a map is, better the map, is not shared in all earth locations :)
I still keep as reference Unleashing the Bloodthirsty, To kill for power and Vengeance is mine, where all ingredients are magically mixed.
But player tastes are like anus: everyone has one :)
Nautilus writes:
17-01-2013 22:54
Anus
Like the comparison (:D), still, I would say that this map gets easier moving on, fights get more solutions as you proceed, only logistic problem stays...
Valery writes:
18-01-2013 00:50
I don' give up
I was ready to go through when I started, 2 weeks ago, but then the first fight so long delayed, then not enough time and one battle/week is not my style:)
I will return later to complete, when I have a free week end (probably will do 2 more fights, heh). End report by 2015.
Aeris writes:
20-01-2013 09:48
To Valery
Seemingly you have some wrong ideas about Chinese players
Not all Chinese players enjoy hardest maps and only certain extremely highly-skilled do
But almost every Chinese player hate pathfinding ( hidden objects especially ) , both skilled and unskilled
Most love maps of suitable difficulty for themselves
Average Chinese game skill us slightly higher than those of foreigners, so you may have the false impression that we Chinese love very hard maps, but truth is that no one like maps impossible for him/her
Author: 0ver, 15-01-2013 15:09 First battle in Bastion tower Hi all, map looks great but this is insane. I have to play it with sod right ? First battle is imposible for me. 20 rusts dragon + 180 imps vs 1 crystal 5 snapshooters. I can blind them and later hypnotise imps to block , but my towers deal 70 dam per round. + ice bolt 150. After 20 rounds i cant do nothing cause out of mana. Can someone make a pic or something for me ? This is annyoing..
Author: Mira (Bulgaria), 14-01-2013 22:25 Just wondering... High, I am pretty far in the game - 27 towns are mine. Just wondered if I was supposed to kill Der Grune H at 20, 59, 1 near the red tent. It seems that He is unlocking the way of frifix. I beated him before he took the keymasters tent and frifix just stays there... Was I supposed to beat him in the town?
I just saw that the crashing event is giving Logistics and I think I cannot pass without it the magic garnisons at 95, 117,0. Am I right? Is this so curcial or I can go by without it?
Battles so far were excellent. I am still surviving but think that I should start over with a fixed version.
Nautilus writes:
14-01-2013 23:00
True
It's true that it is crucial to have logistics on Ein Freund - what you can do is starting the game with HD Mod, then it will work (some bug which I didn't know of), that should work for now.
It's also true that you should kill "Der gruene H." sometime after you unleashed him...so just wait one day before starting the bloody fight ;)
All of these bugs should be fixed in the new version, but I'd rather wait a bit with updating for if people find other things I didn't :I
Author: Aeris (China), 14-01-2013 12:41 Like Later report That event, if erased with the contents(words), will not make game crash
But if copy the content words to another event, also OK
I wonder if you add some WoG erm script or other abnormal things in content??
Valery writes:
14-01-2013 13:52
Scrollable
You can't add multiple bonuses while text is scrollable in an event. Either you use very little text or you don't give any bonus at all. Game crashes because can't display.
Valery writes:
14-01-2013 14:41
HD
Looks like map was tested with HD mod, as this display problem was fixed in. If you want to get past that event, you need HD mod, with vanilla will not work.
Aeris writes:
14-01-2013 16:14
Learn a new thing from you
Test it and confirm that "%s learns something" and "%s found treasure" etc belong to different pages and so cannot be with scrollable text, but multiple bonus like experience and spell points(both belong to "%s learns something") is OK.
Valery writes:
14-01-2013 16:41
HD
I don't know for sure, Baratorch did not fix broken code in HD, just allow bigger width of the message box, thus I think it is only a matter of space, not bonuses nature. Both bonuses work in HD mod, but did not test much the crash reason/.
Nautilus writes:
14-01-2013 17:56
Yes
I indeed tested the map using HD Mod, not knowing about this bug. I'll fix it when new version comes out :) Thank you guys
Author: Aeris (China), 14-01-2013 12:05 Like The event at 22,97,0 makes game crash Don't have any idea yet
Author: Aeris (China), 13-01-2013 05:52 Like Skyship?? Nautilus, are you sure that you allow the grail structure in the tower town??
The whole map is unveiled
Aeris writes:
13-01-2013 06:54
transform??
I cannot find boots of levitation nor water walk spell so cannot rescue the archery specialist. ???
Aeris writes:
13-01-2013 06:57
And another
Some players wish me to translate this map into Chinese, but what I can rely on is purely Google translator. Eh...... I can speak no German.....
Nautilus writes:
13-01-2013 12:34
Boots
Boots of Levitation are hidden behind the boars dwelling ;)
And yes, I live to uncover the man, less pain for the Player... maybe will be translated someday
Author: Nautilus, 11-01-2013 02:01 Rü is an foreign letter, basically is same to ue, so for you heroes name would be something like turnip-peter ^^
This guy will attack you, if you step on the clover fields... make sure to be able to kill the two of them...
Author: Mira, 11-01-2013 01:54 how?! How can I possibly do this? The guy has already 2 enchanters in his army, I cannot reach him because he is behind the black boarding post... and what does Rü means?
Obviously I am missing something ....
Author: Nautilus, 11-01-2013 00:31 -> 2 (;D) Yes, I agree. Start is kinda strict. But if your not going for full speed (which would be recommended :] ), then the later parts are kind of open-worlded, don't you think so?
Author: Nautilus, 11-01-2013 00:29 -> Or, in other words: Kill them when you pass Rübenpeter Day 7 end (I think)
Author: Nautilus, 11-01-2013 00:29 Nice to hear again That may be because Rusty is not to be released at all. I told you this:
-Rübenpeter has 2 Enchanters kidnapped, which he will trade in for man y ransom troops.
Means you were supposed to not meet Rusty in the first place :/
Author: Mira (Bulgaria), 11-01-2013 00:22 hi Wow, I can't believe that you are still arguing at how to beat Sir Lock when there are so many more challenges ahead. I don't think you should change anything for this battle. I used hypnotize spell and it worked (whether Valery believes it or not) and it was quite a personal satisfaction to find solution of my own. In fact, if I have some critics about the map is that it it is a little bit too strict to follow. You should give more options for the plyaers that could lead them to victory even in their own way.
I am about month 4 now. Did't play for a while but when I left the map it was because a nusty guy named Rusty was released and he destroyed everything on his way causing some bugs and the map couldn't run properly. I replayed several times, tried not to conquer the Necromancer city - but even then he is released. The last thing I did was to capture the Fortress at 1, 107, 58. It was quite a battle, but my game blocked because of this Rusty, which was quite frustrating.
Hope that soon you may discuss more battles in the games than the first one :)
Mira writes:
11-01-2013 18:47
Re
You are kidding me!
This sounds suicidal. Now I have to replay all over...
Mira writes:
12-01-2013 04:00
Re
Yes, it was nice Armagedon blade. It was almost too good to be true to keep it for so long. You have no mercy.
By the way the experience event crashes again.... See if someone else has the same problem...
Nautilus writes:
12-01-2013 12:50
Confused
I dont unterstand why it does that... what version do you play on?
Mira writes:
12-01-2013 14:11
re
SOD 3.0
Nautilus writes:
13-01-2013 12:35
Sod 3.0
Maybe that is the Problem, try out complete or with hd mod? Not sure...
Author: Valery, 10-01-2013 22:42 new version 20 rusts in update :(
Not many will get past.
Author: Nautilus, 10-01-2013 16:56 Ok Ok then, I give you that ;)
Author: Aeris (China), 10-01-2013 16:12 Like To Nautilus Yes you can go autocombat, it's rather easy
don't you remember that there are sharpshooters??
Move one sharpshooter to the middle, preventing any other water elementals or crystal dragon from going out
and it will shoot to death because of ammo cart
Author: Valery, 10-01-2013 15:01 a must? Why ban anything? More options, more solutions. Considering that it took me about 1 week to find the imps blind thing (ok, didn't play every day, no time but still), I believe it should be considered as valid option, going for "only one solution" battle makes maps unfriendly and rather impossible to complete.
Just my two cents.
Author: Nautilus, 10-01-2013 10:24 Email My Email is nautilus(dot)dw(at)g mail(dot).com
Darn, without hypnotize fight is a Torture, since you cant go autocombat... seems I hahave to increase numbers one more time
Author: Aeris (China), 10-01-2013 09:13 Like Meteor Showers Or rather, I don't want to post pictures on HC, rather explain it here
hypnotize familiars to move to next to ammo cart
crystal dragons hide in corner
sharpshooters move blocking
so that rust dragons cannot attack ammo cart nor crystal dragon, can only kill sharpshooters, but once it do, they are near familiars and will be both under effects of meteor shower and inferno
rust dragons fear meteor shower and inferno so not attack
oh I almost get crazy, no pictures you say a JB !!
give me your e-mail address, you should be able to see my e-mail as mapmaker who will receive notification, Nautilus, I will send you the picture and game save of tavern hero
Nautilus writes:
10-01-2013 23:02
Sorry
But I had already sent the update in when you wrote that. However, maybe I will revert back to the old version, depends on people (and I dont want to enlarge Yandex' job even more). Chinese ones found another way to solve the fight at least :P
Valery writes:
10-01-2013 23:38
players
It is psychological issue: if player sees 10 rusts he tries a few times to see if there is a way. If he sees 20, he will simply think the battle must be lost (because the previous one) and will not move. As the result was very close with blind/hypnotize, I knew there was a way, probably different but still.
Star King writes:
12-01-2013 08:19
Hypnotize not needed
Actually I was able to get the Familiars to block the gate without Hypnotize. Attack catapult with Crystal Dragons, then Familiars attack Dragons so that they end up on the same "row" as the gate. Then when Dragons run back in the Familiars will go up and block the gate. So ban Hypnotize no problem. You might want to include a message that Sir Lock must be defeated though.
Nautilus writes:
12-01-2013 12:49
Re
Lets see, maybe I will ban it in future... the info is there, but in German :P
Danik writes:
20-04-2013 05:15
Block the gate?
"...Familiars will go up and block the gate..." this sounds ridiculous, taking into account that the Rust Dragons don't use gates, or maybe there is a trick to prevent the rusties from flying, or flying over the wall. Please, clarify this. Thank you.
Author: Aeris (China), 10-01-2013 08:39 Like Another one Nautilus, you must ban Hypnotize, or we Chinese come up with another solution to do it, that is to use
"see but not attack" bug
that is, hypnotize familiars and move him to certain point, and then make some arrangements, so that rust dragons will not attack, and you only need to blind familiars after hypnotize effect is gone
I give a picture in Heroes community best and worst spells thread
Aeris writes:
10-01-2013 08:59
No bother
I calculate:
200 mana = 25 blinds
1 blinds = 9 rounds
1 rounds = 70 damage(turrets + sharpshooters)
exactly to kill 20 rust dragons
so hypnotize must be forbidden
Author: Aeris (China), 10-01-2013 08:26 Like Continue and apart from increasing arrow tower damage and make sure to destroy the catapult in two rounds(using titans, or maybe increasing turrets damage single will work)
about tavern bug, do like this:
hero conquer the town,
enter the town,
move hero inside, do you really know what I mean by "inside"? The garrison teal flag
move him out
and let him to walk to Hill Fort
let him come back to town, simply stay at the gate(the outer of town)
that's OK
(so seen from map, inside means you cannot see a hero, but outside means you can see a hero standing at the town gate)
and he will show up in tavern
Author: Nautilus (Vienna), 08-01-2013 22:21 Answers As for efreets battle, I just tried a bit, and your correct - fight is indeed easier than I thought it was.
1) To fight this fight properly (and to wipe out turret solution (which was not wanted) please download the map again, it should be fixed.
2) I only count two?
3) "Transform" ; means freeing one hero in jail, having to sacrifice the old one :P
4) How would you do? Mr. Fat is set to only be recruitable by Player1...please enlighten me :)
5) Takes time, but it is possible ^^ Maybe I could lower it...
Aeris writes:
09-01-2013 12:30
Re
Eh, could you please secretly tell me how to kill Sir Lock? I tried every mean I could imagine, magic arrows, crystal dragons, etc
I cannot find any blackshard of dead knight, and the tavern block the way making only recruited hero pass, not Gunnar
Any hero, who is in prison and then be released, or have already entered one of your towns ( One town can hold two heroes at the same time, right? I mean the inside one ), is enabled to be hired. So, Mr. Fat once enters the inside and becomes Rampart's garrison hero, he could be hired
Others confusing me like:
Doppelbert doesn't get to the sea so the useless seers' hut?
don't know where to go then, cannot find black keymaster tent nor blackshard of dead knight
Valery writes:
09-01-2013 12:39
Sir Lock
On first version with 10 rusts, I hypnotized once the imps, then blinded them all battle while they block. Then magic arrow + turrets.
If the second version has 20 rusts (downloading now) then you need the "full house" strategy. Funny name:)
Nautilus writes:
09-01-2013 17:47
to Aeris
Solution to the Sir Lock fight is found in "Best & Worst Spells" Thread in hc, and the 2 Blackshards are found in the pandora box under the garrison of cavalry.
Doppelbert however always goes for water in my games...?
I didn't know about the tavern thing, but I just tried, and he didn't show up as recruitable hero, not in week 1, not in week 2...could you explain it to me some more? :)
Aeris writes:
10-01-2013 08:14
Wow
Really amazing battle this one, the Fire Magic skill is really a blind point(thus an Expert exists, why bother using one Basic?)
Ring of conjuring is also carefully designed
Some suggestions:
1, add some constructions like Fountain of fortune and resouce silo and blacksmith,( also maybe creature generators?) ---- to increase arrow tower damage
2, give Titans instead of sharpshooters --- I always encounter the Catapult destroy one wall within 3 strikes(catapult and turrets act first) or even 2 strikes and are very frustrated ---- bad luck
but titans can guarantee to destroy catapult within two rounds
Nautilus writes:
10-01-2013 10:26
Two rounds
Catapult is already able to be destroyed in Two rounds, use Meteor shower
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